Soccer in AZ

Discussion in 'Arizona Scene' started by Dave_Bennett, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. Dave_Bennett

    Dave_Bennett New Member

    My kid is done with club and a few thoughts as they head to college:

    - Standard of coaching he received was pretty poor. And that's being polite...

    - The pay to play system truly sucks. Clubs truly only exist to make money and coaches only coach for $$.

    - There is a large percentage of club coaches who do not follow professional soccer at all and as such have no concept of how the game should be played. Not only that but by ignoring the pro game they never encourage their players to watch/embrace the sport as a whole.

    - I don't think I've ever seen a truly organized training session. It is always running to begin with followed by a few drills they got from the internet (ooh Klopp pressing drills...ooh Pep possession drills etc. etc.) and ending with a free for all scrimmage where they ignore what is going on and play with their phone. Never ever seen a scrimmage at the end of practice with an actual purpose to it.

    - Coaches who coach multiple teams truly see this is a badge of honor. Trust me no parent is impressed when you tell them Coach Chad will be coaching at the weekend and he has the notes and the game-plan (which don't actually exist) as you just have to coach another one of your teams. This is basically you saying

    - The emphasis on winning is just sad. Every single club posts on social media when they win a tourney. No club ever talks about player development. Ever. And who hasn't turned up to a tourney and looked at their own players and said 'who the heck are those kids' as coach Nobby adds a bunch of ringers to his roster just to win the tourney just so he/she can post it on social media just so he can add more players to the bloated roster so he/she gets more $$. The circle of shite.

    - Try-outs. An utter mess and an utter rip-off. Paying for try-outs is theft. The actual try-outs themselves are so badly organized and basically right there and then show parents how clueless the coaches are. The number of try-outs I've seen that involve an already on the team XI v's those trying out is just so, so sad. If they're on the team WHY DO YOU NEED TO SEE THEM PLAY? As utterly moronic as is it gets.

    - The game itself. Every single coach my son had never ever ran a session that involved playing actual game like scenarios. It was always - like I said - a bunch of drills from the internet or drills that the "Director of Coaching" (LOL) deemed they need to work on.

    In summary, club soccer in AZ is truly broken and whilst my son still enjoyed it, made friends etc. and CRAZILY enough - despite the truly appalling coaching- is going to play college now I just wanted to free my soul from the utter grossness of it all!

    And these are the coaches who I believe need to quit and go find something else to do for a living because they are truly, truly useless:

    Thomas Anderson - Del Sol
    Dave Shaffer - Sereno
    Andrew Bellemen - CCV

    Joe Waggoner - Sereno. Joe deserves a special mention for a level of uselessness that I did not know existed until I watched him coach.

    In the words of the great Eric Wynalda:

    "Your job as a youth coach is not to develop the untalented, it's to not ruin the talent you have".

    And that's for you, Joe, you useless twat...
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  2. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    Excellent points my friend! I have been saying that the club model for developing players is broken myself. I too have witnessed similar things throughout the years. There are some really good coaches out there that truly understand, but unfornately they are in the minority. The sad part is that a coach who doesn't have the right perspective with regards to coaching can destroy a kid's love for the game. It isn't just soccer, but for all sports. Chasing trophies and borrowing players from other clubs even though you have enough players just so you can win a tournament is a horrible thing to do to your team. My son was on a team where two teams on the same club played eachother. The club borrowed two of our players and put them on the team we were playing against. They threw my son's team under the bus for fear of us winning since we were considered the lesser of the two teams. Yes, the behavior can get pretty disgusting especially when you consider the age was only 10 years old at the time.
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2019
  3. Soccer Dad

    Soccer Dad Active Member

    My kids have had a total different experience. In all the years of club soccer with 1 aging out this year I can say that my kids have had 1 poor coach and it lasted 1 year. Maybe it’s different on the girls side but coaches always told them to watch pro soccer Also having them text the coach a breakdown of what they saw and what the player in their position did right or wrong.
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  4. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    Sounds like you found yourself a good one.
  5. SoccerAZ

    SoccerAZ New Member

    Without coach bashing, can you elaborate on your comment about Thomas Anderson? We are in the middle of making a tough decision to move to Del Sol from RSL and he would be my sons coach.
  6. luther perkins

    luther perkins New Member

    Do not waste your money and your kids time playing for TA.
  7. SmashBros

    SmashBros New Member

    My son opted not to play for Thomas a couple of years ago. When I spoke to him on the phone he mentioned he wasn't sure why he was coaching the younger ages and it wasn't his preference. Based on that discussion we opted to go to another club.
  8. polly

    polly Member

    Has del sol posted their coaches for next season? Boys?
  9. SoccerAZ

    SoccerAZ New Member

    I have not seen anything for coaches anywhere for Del Sol. I only know who the 09 coach is because he came up to us after the first tryout session to talk about our son and said he would be the coach.
  10. Dave_Bennett

    Dave_Bennett New Member

    TA is English and like so many of the English coaches here in AZ believes that means that he knows more than you about football/soccer. Period. His sessions are truly awful. I have seen TA drills of a single wide player under no pressure crossing to 6 forwards and no defenders. This drill went on for almost the entire session. A scenario that would never ever happen in a game. Ever. Then it was a free for all scrimmage.

    But what summed TA up best was when 3 minutes into a game his left back tried to dribble the ball out of defense, lost the ball and the opposition scored. TA immediately subbed him and he never came back into the game.

    I would not recommend TA as a coach to anyone.
  11. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    It is truly hard to find a good coach. A guy with a foreign accent doesn't mean they are good. Some of the best coaches my son has had were American.
  12. Not a Futballer

    Not a Futballer New Member

  13. azsoccerdadofDD

    azsoccerdadofDD New Member

    We’re lucky to have landed at a solid club with a good coach. Actually, the best coach I’ve ever watched develop a team. Yes, we’ve had a couple of mediocre seasons, but this last season was outstanding and I look forward to next season.

    They’re out there..
    Last edited: May 15, 2019
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  14. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    Glad to hear it. I think we are in the same boat. It is early, but this is looking like the best team and coach my son has had. When I say best team, I mean the right fit with chemistry with the players and coach. We have been on teams where we did win games, but everyone from the coach to the players acted like total strangers to one another. I am excited about this season.
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  15. Youtube guy

    Youtube guy Member

    Some of the best coaches are coaches who never played the game! They see things differently, in a good way.
  16. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    I don't know if I agree with that one since soccer is a game of skill. If you have a coach who never played before, how will he or she show the child how to pass, shoot, dribble, and trap properly? Those things require hours to perfect. If you have someone that hasn't played, how are they going to show the right technique? Sorry, I have to disagree with your assertion.
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  17. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Active Member

    I hope you are just trolling.

    But you may be right. When I want to improve my golf game I try to avoid people who know how to play golf to help me.
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  18. SmashBros

    SmashBros New Member

    My son's coach has never played soccer and he's produced one of the best teams in the state. Every year his players are being recruited by the big clubs. He may be the exception, but what he's doing is working. The difference I see is he's not doing it for a paycheck, he's doing it for the kids.

    I've had my son with some of the big clubs and I wouldn't let some of those coaches pick up after my dogs.
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  19. Robert

    Robert New Member

    Is he licensed or certificated in some way? Has he gone through a rigorous coaching program, or did he just stay at a Holiday Inn Express?
  20. SmashBros

    SmashBros New Member

    Yes, he's licensed lol. I'm not sure to what level, but it's at minimum a D license.

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