Is DPL worth it?

Discussion in 'Development Academy' started by tjinaz, Jan 23, 2020.

  1. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    Know that ECNL and DA are the best of the best in this state. DA is preferred as it is a top league and the club subsidizes some of the cost. Next is ECNL which has no subsidy but is still a top league. Not sure what to make of DPL. Same travel as DA but no subsidy and does not have the same recognition or scouting. More money for lesser team, but club says it is the "path" to DA, where they recruit most of their players from when one is injured or leaves. Not sure this is completely true.

    Is DPL worth the money? How much better is the competition in DPL vs APL here? Many clubs that don't have DA or ECNL programs are now doing Desert Conference so there are some out of state league games against higher level teams from different parts of the west. Is this a rough equivalent to the league games for DPL?

    Looking at the team rankings it seems many of the top APL teams are equivalent and sometimes better than teams listed as DPL. Curious what everyone thinks. Is DPL truly a path to the DA promised land or is it an expensive boondoggle vs lower cost APL.
     
  2. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Active Member

    The quality of teams DPL plays is better vs what you see in APL. Generally speaking our APL is pretty weak vs So Cal. And of course in DPL you are playing So Cal teams.

    Some kids do get pulled up to DA either on a FT basis or PT basis. That said, the majority of players on any DPL team are not getting pulled up.

    Desert Conference is not something club wide. It is great if you win state and get to get in there the following year. But those are only select teams in there. As a club you cannot say well all our top teams we place in Desert Conference, etc. It just doesn't work that way.
     
  3. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    DPL is a waste of money, too much travel and the AZ DPL teams are not that good across the board. The SC Del Sol DPL teams traveled to Chicago and Texas in the Fall. Their teams are not very good and get your wallet out for all the travel. At SC Del Sol, they do pull up some DPL players to the DA teams only because the DA rosters at that club right now are so small. SC Del Sol is having a hard time retaining players. At RSL/Utah Royals, the chances of a DPL player getting pulled up to the DA team is slim since they carry large DA rosters.

    You are better off finding a solid APL team that travels to some college showcases (if playing college soccer is the end goal). If you can find a APL team that plays in the Desert Conference, even better but like Desert Hound said it is only certain teams not based on club.
     
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  4. Brother Maynard

    Brother Maynard Active Member

    So are you just basing your "not good across the board" on the Win/Loss column or you just basing your opinions on cost? Have you watched the DPL teams play at both clubs, asking if you have any first hand experience watching play? I went to look at the teams they play and have played, and in Dallas it was clubs like Tophat and Dallas Texans. Wouldn't you agree those are 2 of the top clubs in the country? In league play they play So Cal teams, while some of the So Cal teams have taken a dip lately there is still clubs like Surf and Beach, etc. My point here is the advantage for DPL is they do play better competition, and wouldn't you want your player to play better teams? Across the board in AZ as a whole we are not very good that includes ECNL and DA. Your case for a waste of money then could be applied to ECNL and DA also based on Wins/Losses. Recently ECNL started the ECNL regional league AZ hasnt joined in yet but what if they do, is that a waste also? Del Sol U18/19 is having a hard time, but lets not forget the High School factor on that one. Personally I am not a fan of the large rosters at RSL its counterproductive, and don't let those fees fool you, Not all that travel is included. I enjoy smaller roster sizes, means more playing time.
     
  5. Brother Maynard

    Brother Maynard Active Member

    Ignore rankings they are worthless especially gotsoccer rankings. Go watch teams play and talk to the coaches see if its a good fit, Simple. Desert Conference is a shell of what it used to be, with ECNL and DA out there its lost many of the teams and players it used to have. What it all boils down to is Coach and fit, wherever that is that's the key.
     
  6. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    Brother Maynard - sounds like you are fine with DPL....that's great. Tjinaz asked if DPL was worth the cost and in my opinion it is not worth it. There are better options out there if your player can't make the DA or ECNL team before going to a DPL team. Before moving to any team, always watch the team you want your player to play on. Go to some games and even watch a few practices before tryouts. Make sure your player can beat out one of the starters on the current team. A club will always take a player from another club at tryouts before they pull up one of their own DPL players to be on the DA team. Same for ECNL, the coach will take a new player outside of the club before they take someone from the 2nd team within the club.

    My comment of "not good across the board" is not based on the win/loss column. I have seen some DPL games and it was not good soccer. There could be certain age groups where DPL teams are decent but not that I have seen. If you know of any good DPL teams, please share them on this board! Also remember, DPL teams subside costs the DA teams and if you don't believe that then I have ocean front property to sell you in AZ.
     
  7. GKdad

    GKdad Member

    I can only speak for what I have seen on the field with a couple ages of girls teams. I have watched the SCDS girls teams at this level and would say that the teams are stacked top to bottom with quality players who are technically sound and played quality soccer. They did seem to be missing missing those one or two players that force teams to focus on them making everyone around them even better. I would guess this is because those types of players are already on the DA rosters. I also know that at SCDS the 06G DA roster has a minimum of 3 07's they pulled up for lack of a better option available to them at 06 which leads me to believe very few 06G players are likely to be moved up to DA. As for comparison to quality vs. APL; there are a couple of teams playing as low here as ASL2 that offer an equal level of competition but the roster didn't seem as top to bottom solid as I saw with the SCDS DPL teams. I have discussed with a DA parent who is at SCDS the seeming mass exodus to RSL/PRFC at DPL/DA/ECNL levels and they felt that money is probably the first driving factor with coaching at very specific age groups a close second. If you don't have to worry about $ SCDS is probably just as good an option as RSL but if $ is a factor you have to be over the moon about the coach to stay at SCDS. For some the desire to have their kid playing for an "acronym" program probably keeps some kids there that would be equally served by APL and a select few ASL teams at college showcases a couple of times per year without stacking DPL travel and costs on top of that as the DPL teams add those showcase costs on as well...
     
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  8. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    Thank you. Trying to get a handle on this.
    Did not know that about Desert Conference. Looking at the records of the DPL teams it seems like they do play So Cal teams and largely get beaten by 3 goals or more. Does this help them get better? Well first year they do.. they do seem to get better at the older ages
    What prompted this thread is trying to figure out where to play. Everyone wants DA, best league at cheapest price. Don't think my player will make DA at this time. What is my next best bet? ECNL is next best but cost is more and competition equally as fierce. Likely not an option either. That brings me to DPL. Not sure my player will get that much better playing in DPL than APL and the cost difference is significant. Is the year of DPL worth the 4-6k more in travel? If the APL team plays in Desert Conference it provides a medium route. More expensive than APL due to the travel and offers much the same benefits as DPL in playing against stronger non local competition. As with most things in the soccer community there is more than one way to do things so I am reaching out to gather opinions. I have talked to several parents and they are in the same boat as I am. Kid is good but likely not good enough for very top. Would like to think if they stay on this path and keep plugging away they may eventually make it but how do I get them better without breaking the bank?
     
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  9. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    You know I have noticed this as well. You join a club thinking you can work your way up but coaches see new shiny player and forget about all the players doing their time waiting for a chance to move up. You tryout for another team and get opportunities you would never get on your existing one. It's crazy. It pays to wipe the slate clean every couple of years. Don't even get me started on the "elastic" or "dynamic" rosters. I have never seen under performing players get moved down or excellent players moved up in the course of a season. Club coaches seem much too afraid of the backlash any of these roster changes might bring even though they would likely improve the team, the players and make the majority of the parents happy.
     
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  10. Chap Bartholomew

    Chap Bartholomew New Member

    Add another vote for DPL here. I agree anonymously with Desert Hound's points: travel is (much) more expensive, but you're playing against MUCH better competition than Desert Conference: Tophats, Surf, Beach, FC Dallas, Legends, & Galaxy are better programs than any you'll find in DC or APL. And it provides the opportunity to play in multiple College Showcases every year. Most APL teams are lucky to play 1 or 2.

    There is definitely a learning curve - only it's 2nd year of existence. I would be surprised if they travel to Chicago again next year. It costs money to travel for sure, but if it was terrible they wouldn't be adding DPL teams in Colorado, Texas, Florida and the east-coast.

    Always a personal decision based on a whole number of factors, but developmental-wise I'd prefer to have my kid lose close games (more common than cited above) to strong programs with DA as the ultimate goal, than the goal being State-cup and a college showcase every other year.
     
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  11. Chap Bartholomew

    Chap Bartholomew New Member

    GKdad is exactly right too: the two clubs I see (1 DS, 1 RSL) have good, solid players who know how to play, what is missing is that 1 scorer or playmaker who can create shots for themselves or others. And it's for that reason I haven't seen many of the lopsided scores referenced above.
     
  12. soccerfamily

    soccerfamily New Member

    Eesh you nailed that on the head. Going through that right now. All the shiny new players and guest players that come in for games when they have just as good if not better players sitting right under their noses. After 5 years with the same club, we will be wiping the slate clean this next coming season for that very reason. It might just be a blessing in disguise for us anyway....
     
  13. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Active Member

    Go take a look at RSL 04 DPL. Probably the best DPL team. They have done well in DPL. The totally rolled through APL this year as well. Go look at both standings.

    In terms of fees. If I recall RSL is actually pretty good with their DPL fees. I remember looking awhile back. Unfortunately the link to fees now isnt working. Anyone here on RSL DPL?
     
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  14. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Active Member

    Sometimes you just have to move. A fresh start, new coaches, etc can be a good thing. YOu don't want to be a club hopper...but after 5 yrs at your current you wouldn't be considered one if/when you move.
     
  15. Brother Maynard

    Brother Maynard Active Member

    They have done well, pretty much rolled through APL unchallenged. Another 2 teams is both of the U18/19 DPL teams, they have done well in APL as well. They have faced some tough competition in DPL play but have played well. Del Sol U18/19 is also playing Desert conference.
     
  16. soccerallthetime

    soccerallthetime New Member

    Playing APL won't necessarily save you in travel money. Multiple 04 APl/ASL girls teams traveled to VA this fall. 04 Thunder girls traveled out of state 3 times in the fall, including the VA tournament. I would imagine they will play out of state once they return from HS season as well.
     
  17. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    Traveling 3 times out of state is a little excessive unless they are recruiting age and attending showcases. The difference with the DPL teams is you are traveling out of state for league games PLUS traveling out of state for tournaments/showcases. DPL teams can travel out of state 6-8 times in the fall.
     
  18. soccerallthetime

    soccerallthetime New Member

    SCDS had a better DPL league schedule than RSL. 3 CA trips for league games. It appears 04 & older also attended the DPL showcase in Dallas for SCDS. Not sure where RSL traveled other than league games, and that was more than 3 trips.
     
  19. Chap Bartholomew

    Chap Bartholomew New Member

    Driving to California not really an expensive endeavor either. Very easy to stay with friends or family too.
     
  20. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    I looked up Utah Royals/RSL 04 DPL team since it was mentioned this is a pretty good team. This team traveled out of state 5 times in the fall for league games. And then played in Surf Cup (end of July) and Dallas Cup (October). This team traveled a total of 7 times in the Fall season! That much travel gets expensive and remember this is for a 2nd team!
     

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