Discussion in 'Arizona Scene' started by Tiki-Taka-Freak, Nov 4, 2019.
Anyone know when high schools start their practices?
High School tryouts start today.
So, they start practicing next week once tryouts are done?
And they will continue to Train with both high school and club for the month of Nov. they can’t train with club team after Nov 30th. Tough month!!
Tough month for sure. Practice 5 days a week for high school. Some club teams are shortening practices or cutting back on the number of practices in November. Most teams still have club games and tournaments until Dec 1.
Thank you for the information.
Wow! 5 days a week plus games.
I wonder how that works with coaches since a good amount of club coaches are coaching high school?
They go directly from high school practice to Club Practice. It’s makes for a difficult month. Especially since many girls have ECNL showcase this weekend and big tournaments at Thanksgiving. Over trained = more injuries.
Technically, kids can participate in club up until their school's first REGULARLY scheduled game - which for many teams this year is Dec 3.
This is year 10 for the ECNL, so this is not a new thing in general. But it depends on what high school / coach your players has. Some High School coaches ask the club players for their Nov schedules so they are aware of what they have going. Some let the girls do limited activates at practice as they are aware they have other commitments. Some coaches just don't care about the club season, run the girls into the ground and tell the girls that if there club coach has an issue to call them (true story). Some do team building activities such as scavenger hunts during these weeks. Some are ok with ODP participation, some aren't, etc. I think you get my point.
But the player has to communicate with their high school coach about what's going on. If they have played for the coach before (ie. not a freshman or new players to the school) then they already know what you can do, and hopefully if you talk to them, they are open minded and ok with it. Any high school coach who is more concerned about these early weeks and does not care about over use, should not be coaching.
Now on the club side, same thing. Some coaches adjust the schedule and go lighter as they are fully aware of what the high school coaches might be doing to them. Some might not.
My 2 Cents
I have spoken to two men that have played college soccer and one of them coaches here in the Phoenix area. When talking to them about high school soccer both of them had very similar answers on the subject. If they had to do it over again they wouldn't do it. One of them did bring up overtraining and injuries as an issue for him. They both said that the quality isn't very good and that they developed bad habits once the high school season was over. They also mentioned that it had absolutely nothing to do with helping them play in college either. Now, the experience could be different for other people. I just find it to be interesting that both of them said the same things after talking with them separately. My personal opinion is that clubs should not cater to high school sports. It should be one or the other. I realize that is a hard thing to do since so many club coaches coach high school. For me there is a reason why you join a club. To take close to 3 months off to cater to high school soccer while paying club fees just rubs me the wrong way. I know there are those who would disagree, but to have this long of a break and expect them to resume play just hinders that team's continuity once they come back.
I see your side but until you have a high school player you won't understand until you see it through their teenage eyes. High School school players LOVE to play with their friends, play for their school, and play against their club teammates in high school games! They ENJOY the bus rides to the local high school games, the pasta dinners, having their name announced on the high school loud speaker before a game, and playing in front of their high school peers/teachers. This is especially true for the girls! And you are not paying club training fees during high school season. Training fees are reduced for high school players since there is a break in training. Team fees have already been paid or will resume once club practices resume in mid-Feb.
At some clubs...though fewer and fewer.
I agree. But this is the first time tryouts have been the same week as the ECNL showcase due to tryouts being pushed back a week. In past years, tryouts were completed and teams formed the week before.
So club coaches are pushing back harder than ever to not train this week with high school.
My daughter plays ECNL, and her coach told her to workout with her high school team and not to worry about the club practices this week to avoid over training. She's playing in the showcase this weekend, so not all ECNL coaches are pushing girls to avoid high school training this week.
This is bullshit. High school soccer is much closer to the college experience than club soccer. Maybe it is different for boys but I doubt it. I can go into more detail if you wish. In college it becomes an all immersive experience for the girls as student athletes. In club, it is just soccer.
Great! Stick with high school soccer then. What I think is "bullshit", is that clubs have to cater to high school sports. Why? I think it is kind of rediculous to sacrifice nearly 3 months of a season, then resume club again. I think it hurts the continuity of a team when you do that sort of thing especially when you fork over fat wads of cash to have your son or daughter play club soccer. I guess a club could form another "team" for those who don't play high school during that time, but that is kind of lame too especially when you have to go through a merry-go-round of coaches during that time.
Club soccer will become as important as elementary school (unless your glory years were club soccer). You will remember the friendships and that is about it. Other than these friendships and the fact that iron sharpens iron the experience becomes trivial in college. What I am saying is missing a couple months of a club season is meaningless in the big picture. I think every kid should me made to play at least one season of high school if they plan on playing in college. After that, he/she can make her own decision.
I agree that most kids really enjoy HS. Sure, the quality of play is lower, but it’s a different experience, something beyond soccer. It’s something that connects them to their school and schoolmates, and in my opinion, it makes them a more well rounded person. It’s also a nice break from the monotony of club, which many HS age kids have been doing for 10 years. The unfortunate part in my view is the month of November when kids have to figure out how to navigate the demands of both, and risk injury from overtraining.
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