Arizona Premier League 2019 and beyond!

Discussion in 'Arizona Scene' started by aginaz, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. aginaz

    aginaz Active Member

    This happened in ASL2 in A LOT of age groups.

    I'm guessing there was A LOT of butt hurt among a number of clubs.

    Having said that, 2004 & 2005 Boys in particular are fairly deep. It would have made a lot more sense to adjust APL & ASL 1 to reflect the better teams more accurately but I guess this "solution" gets ASA closer to 6-6-6 for now. If they were smart about it, they would make ASL2 11 teams and make them all play each other. Then they can cut next year and no one has a gripe - and they will also only have ONE winner to take only ONE spot in the league above them (ASL1) instead of the dumb 2 winners (1 per bracket) that they had this year getting auto bids...
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  2. aginaz

    aginaz Active Member

    While I can agree with this sentiment, there is a difference when ASA is scheduling league games/refs/etc versus the individual clubs. It would be A LOT of work for ASA to do everything. But I agree that it could be handled better.

    The way refs and fields are allocated has A LOT of room for improvement and some consolidation/organization wouldn't hurt.
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  3. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    Would you look at that 07G ASL2 just grew from 6 to 9. So much for keeping everything at 6 teams. Think all of the richer clubs are pushing for ASL2 for the second teams. For that money teams need to be in advanced leagues or kids will drop. Not many parents are going to shell out 2k in club fees for Open League. GIRLS 13U FINAL.pdf
  4. aginaz

    aginaz Active Member

    Agreed. Classic got screwed. And on top of that they added Barca Academy 04 Red, which didn't even exist last season. LOL!

    Classic got screwed!

    9: CLASSIC 04 GARIBALDY                  10        1        4        5        12        27        7
    10: SOUTHERN ARIZONA 04 SPARTANS         10        0        5        5        16        37        5
    11: RSL-AZ NORTH 04 BOYS WAGGONER        10        0        2        8        7         30        2
    ZERO wins for those bottom 2 teams? LOL!

    Classic got screwed...
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  5. aginaz

    aginaz Active Member

    How in the world did RSL get in.....oh wait, nevermind...
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  6. Mot Ozzi

    Mot Ozzi New Member

    I don’t know anything about the specific teams, but I’ve been told a lot goes into these decisions beyond where teams place the previous year. I guess it makes sense that things like performance in tournaments, records against opponents in higher divisions, roster improvements, player pool, etc are considered, especially when so much time passes between end of apl/sl season and selections.
  7. Youtube guy

    Youtube guy Member

    After going back and looking up scores, Classic did get screwed. The games classic lost were very close, they did not get blown out at all. Lots of 0-1 or 1-2 games against the better teams in their division. Not to mention, they played Tuzos academy in the finals of a tourney and only lost 1-2. I also believe that classic 04 even has several 05 players on their roster. Politics at its finest. One day ASA will truly be independent. Oh wait, I’ve been saying that for years. Never mind.
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  8. GKdad

    GKdad Member

    I would strongly disagree... As a coach of a team that was excluded whom were 7W-2D-3L with a +13 GD against all of the teams that made SL2 this season that they played last season. 5 Tournament wins (3 in top flight) and 2 more finalist finishes. Roster continuity of 14, 11 going back 3 years. Not to mention the wins and/or competitive games against APL and ASL1 teams from last season.

    Yet somehow a team that won one tournament last season, and when playing my girls lost 6-0 while I held my girls back and only crossed the center stripe with the ball once all game was accepted....

    Yes, they are from a big club. Politics come before principles in these decisions hands down, they aren't paying attention to results AT ALL.
  9. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    Are you listening ASA?
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  10. SmashBros

    SmashBros New Member

    ASA doesn't care about the teams or the players. They care about which team is able to pay the Advanced League fees first and foremost. They limited the spots to 6 in each division to see how much of an uproar it caused. Money and politics floated to the top and they realized they could cash in by letting the teams in that had no business playing at that level. It doesn't appear that they are letting many west side teams in after they opened the spots up. They targeted RSL & Rising first. That's where the for sure payday comes from.
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  11. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    It is always about the money. Why not just have one league with multiple flights? No one can bitch because it will be performance driven. It is my opnion that having 3 state leagues (APL, SL1, SL2) causes more problems.
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  12. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    Its not the money for teams or ASA. Every team accepted can pay the league fees. In a 6 team league, you get 10 games and your fees cover the league, the refs and the fields. Its way better value than any tournament the same teams will enter (multiple of) in any season. ASA in turn admin the schedule, fields and ref assignment and pay whoever needs paying. They should make some money out of it, but not huge amounts I'd think.

    Limiting the number of teams is pretty bizarre to me. It may make sense in some age groups but clearly doesn't in many. I would think that this may be more to do with scheduling for ASA, i.e. smaller leagues, easier to schedule all the games, than any quality of league BS that they may speak to.

    Placement is probably part merit and a huge amount of politics. The big clubs are dictating to get their lower teams in, to justify their fees. Now this is about the money (for clubs). I expect ASA is walking a fine line, esp. with the amount of recent consolidation, in appeasing clubs but trying to maintain some objectivity. SoCal had break away leagues run by clubs because they fell out with the assoc. there. ASA are trying to avoid this at all costs, I expect. Less than a handful of clubs break away and they don't have a league (worth much).

    All in all, rigid adherence to a 6-6-6 is setting ASA up to fail, moving that to 6-6-[some number] makes it pretty funny. Very clear examples of teams getting shafted (like Classic 04 if above true) show the stupid position they've put themselves in.
  13. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    They make really easy not to care anymore don't they? Whatever, as long as the child gets to play and get better in the process. Tournaments look like the only venue for those that got screwed.
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  14. GKdad

    GKdad Member

    As one of the Aforementioned "screwed" I was perfectly fine with the 6-6-6 set up; it left an open league division 1 with some good teams. I only felt our girls got ASA'ed when they buckled and let all the other teams in. Now our only good developmental opportunities will come in tournaments in which the same type of politics often get us left in lower flights even when requesting the top flight where a developmental challenge actually exists.
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  15. aginaz

    aginaz Active Member

    Well, as it turns out Tuzos DOES NOT get a FWRL spot. Neither does Rideout. In fact no one other than Del Sol gets a spot!

    Boys U15
    Broomfield Blast SC05 Boys PrestigeColorado
    La RocaLa Roca DC PremierUtah
    La Roca SouthLa Roca S-CSUtah
    LVSA'05 Boys RedNevada
    NM Rush SCRush Premier 05New Mexico
    PLAYERS SC2005 Boys EliteNevada
    SC del Sol05 BoysArizona
    Utah Soccer AllianceUSA Premier 05B - SAUtah

    Arizona is notably short teams in FWRL this season, with some age groups only having 1 or ZERO teams...Crazy.
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    Any thought on the possibility of FWRL black balling Arizona since there have been teams at different levels that have opted not to go to the championship round after qualifying? I know at least one team pulled out of the finals because of the cost involved with traveling to Hawaii.
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  17. Youtube guy

    Youtube guy Member

    Funny to see the two Arizona 06 teams accepted aren’t even the same teams as last season. Del Sol academy II is basically their second team that lost every game in apl last season and RSL Bermudez lost half their team to academy. But, when your the two biggest clubs in AZ i guess politics really doesn’t matter. Err i mean, um, right.
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  18. SmashBros

    SmashBros New Member

    Isn't PRFC Graham mostly the Brazas team that was ASL1 last season? So all 3 teams are different? lol Just crazy
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  19. Youtube guy

    Youtube guy Member

    I don’t have a problem with teams transferring clubs but when west side teams do it, they lose their spots and get demoted. East teams do it and they get promoted. Del sol being accepted into FWR is funny. Lose every game in APL and ASA signs off on them going to FWR. RSL-North lost all but one game in FWR last season and RSL-Bermudez wasn’t even in FWR, they lose most of their team but yet ASA also signs off on them going to FWR. Don’t tell me it’s an even playing field.
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  20. aginaz

    aginaz Active Member

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